Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity | Lex Fridman Podcast #438

Elon Musk is CEO of Neuralink, SpaceX, Tesla, xAI, and CTO of X. DJ Seo is COO & President of Neuralink. Matthew MacDougall is Head Neurosurgeon at Neuralink. Bliss Chapman is Brain Interface Software Lead at Neuralink. Noland Arbaugh is the first human to have a Neuralink device implanted in his brain. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep438-sb See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *Transcript:* https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-and-neuralink-team-transcript *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* Neuralink's X: https://x.com/neuralink Neuralink's Website: https://neuralink.com/ Elon's X: https://x.com/elonmusk DJ's X: https://x.com/djseo_ Matthew's X: https://x.com/matthewmacdoug4 Bliss's X: https://x.com/chapman_bliss Noland's X: https://x.com/ModdedQuad xAI: https://x.com/xai Tesla: https://x.com/tesla Tesla Optimus: https://x.com/tesla_optimus Tesla AI: https://x.com/Tesla_AI *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Cloaked:* Online privacy protection. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/cloaked-ep438-sb *MasterClass:* Online classes from world-class experts. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/masterclass-ep438-sb *Notion:* Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep438-sb *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep438-sb *Motific:* Generative ai deployment. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/motific-ep438-sb *BetterHelp:* Online therapy and counseling. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-ep438-sb *OUTLINE:* 0:00 - Introduction 0:49 - Elon Musk 4:06 - Telepathy 10:45 - Power of human mind 15:12 - Future of Neuralink 20:27 - Ayahuasca 29:57 - Merging with AI 34:44 - xAI 36:57 - Optimus 43:47 - Elon's approach to problem-solving 1:01:23 - History and geopolitics 1:05:53 - Lessons of history 1:10:12 - Collapse of empires 1:17:55 - Time 1:20:37 - Aliens and curiosity 1:28:12 - DJ Seo 1:36:20 - Neural dust 1:43:03 - History of brain–computer interface 1:51:07 - Biophysics of neural interfaces 2:01:36 - How Neuralink works 2:07:26 - Lex with Neuralink implant 2:27:24 - Digital telepathy 2:38:27 - Retracted threads 2:44:01 - Vertical integration 2:50:55 - Safety 3:00:50 - Upgrades 3:09:53 - Future capabilities 3:39:09 - Matthew MacDougall 3:44:58 - Neuroscience 3:52:07 - Neurosurgery 4:03:11 - Neuralink surgery 4:22:20 - Brain surgery details 4:38:03 - Implanting Neuralink on self 4:53:57 - Life and death 5:03:17 - Consciousness 5:06:11 - Bliss Chapman 5:19:27 - Neural signal 5:26:19 - Latency 5:30:59 - Neuralink app 5:35:40 - Intention vs action 5:46:54 - Calibration 5:56:26 - Webgrid 6:19:28 - Neural decoder 6:40:03 - Future improvements 6:48:59 - Noland Arbaugh 6:49:08 - Becoming paralyzed 7:02:43 - First Neuralink human participant 7:06:45 - Day of surgery 7:24:31 - Moving mouse with brain 7:49:50 - Webgrid 7:57:52 - Retracted threads 8:06:16 - App improvements 8:13:01 - Gaming 8:23:59 - Future Neuralink capabilities 8:26:55 - Controlling Optimus robot 8:31:16 - God 8:33:21 - Hope *PODCAST LINKS:* - Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast - Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr - Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 - RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ - Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 - Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/lexclips *SOCIAL LINKS:* - X: https://x.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://instagram.com/lexfridman - TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman - Facebook: https://facebook.com/lexfridman - Patreon: https://patreon.com/lexfridman